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In Germany, free education leads to irrelevant courses, hopelessly overcrowded public universities, and a drop-out rate of about 30%
From Wentorf, Roger Graves, a lecturer with 20 years of experience in Germany, testifies about an Economist article on Under-qualified Germans:
Another
reason for the lack of skilled labour in Germany is the reluctance of
school-leavers to take advantage of the admirable dual-education system,
and instead enroll at a university (“Opening up a crack”, May 18th). The problem is that every pupil who has passed the school-leaving exam, the Abitur,
has the constitutional right to a place at university, even if he or
she has to wait some semesters and has no real academic inclinations or
talents. The result is a proliferation of abstruse and socially
irrelevant courses, a drop-out rate of about 30% (a shocking waste of
human and financial resources) and the lack of skilled workers you
mentioned.
Having spent 20 years as a lecturer, I can testify to
the often poor quality of students at hopelessly overcrowded public
universities and the high quality of those at private institutions,
which have strict admission requirements. But in our modern, democratic
society everybody is at least a manager and selection is frowned upon.
That attitude is leading to big problems for the German economy.
This is discouraging news. While there is a downside, kids whose working class backgrounds may conceal their academic abilities, in the past much of Germany's economic success was due to linking the majority of school kids to the training that would maximize their income making potential and contributions to society. Someone with the skills to be a good machinist became one at eighteen. He didn't find himself at 26 with no marketable skills.
The German education system has relied heavily on benchmark standardized testing to sort students into appropriate education pathways to the professions, trades, or service industry, but I guess that the everyone gets a trophy mentality has crept over there too. I do find that the college drop out rate is significantly better than that of the US though, since close to 50% of college students drop out in this country
Private colleges in Germany are a bit less than 10% of the total. In the US, private colleges enroll about 40% of the college population. Much less of a hit to the taxpayer in the US when someone drops-out. Even our community colleges require some tuition fees. German Volkshochschuele, the sorta equivalent of our CCs, are also 'free' (if you consider a starting income tax rate of 55% and VATs at 20% 'free'), so the drop-out rate impacts the taxpayer more in Deutschland in that example as well. Finally, about 25% of abiturfertige qualify for the free funding. In the US, the situation is different: 'In 2016, the most recent year for which statistics are available, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that 69.7 percent of students who graduated high school in 2016 were enrolled in college. About 49 percent of these students are enrolled in community colleges, according to a 2017 report issued by the National Student Clearinghouse Research Center.'
Although one pays for it, a college education is available to a higher percentage of Americans than to Germans.
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My friend in Germany had to hire a lawyer to ensure his son was accepted in pharmacist training at every year of his education. The lawyers cost about what a US 4 year education would cost,
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As for free college, it existed in New York City for years — what is now the City University of New York system — and graduated countless immortals from Jonas Salk to Colin Powell to Justice Felix Frankfurter before dwindling support forced them to change tuition.. Were there flunk outs? Oodles. But at least they were given a fair shot. And entrance exams helped eliminate the weakest of candidates. Ditto, the once-nearly free land grand state universities, from Michigan, to Wisconsin, to the University of California system were generously underwritten by the taxpayers, flunked out many, but provide fabulous rewards to the best and brightest, and to their states before conservatives decided that government had no business paying for an educated electorate.
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This is discouraging news. While there is a downside, kids whose working class backgrounds may conceal their academic abilities, in the past much of Germany's economic success was due to linking the majority of school kids to the training that would maximize their income making potential and contributions to society. Someone with the skills to be a good machinist became one at eighteen. He didn't find himself at 26 with no marketable skills.
The German education system has relied heavily on benchmark standardized testing to sort students into appropriate education pathways to the professions, trades, or service industry, but I guess that the everyone gets a trophy mentality has crept over there too. I do find that the college drop out rate is significantly better than that of the US though, since close to 50% of college students drop out in this country
The US drop-out rate for freshmen is 30%.
Private colleges in Germany are a bit less than 10% of the total. In the US, private colleges enroll about 40% of the college population. Much less of a hit to the taxpayer in the US when someone drops-out.
Even our community colleges require some tuition fees. German Volkshochschuele, the sorta equivalent of our CCs, are also 'free' (if you consider a starting income tax rate of 55% and VATs at 20% 'free'), so the drop-out rate impacts the taxpayer more in Deutschland in that example as well.
Finally, about 25% of abiturfertige qualify for the free funding. In the US, the situation is different: 'In 2016, the most recent year for which statistics are available, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that 69.7 percent of students who graduated high school in 2016 were enrolled in college. About 49 percent of these students are enrolled in community colleges, according to a 2017 report issued by the National Student Clearinghouse Research Center.'
Although one pays for it, a college education is available to a higher percentage of Americans than to Germans.
PLEASE READ PLEASE READ
Hi, yes its real just got my blank atm card,from MR GEORGE. he is really good at what he is doing. met some people but they ran away with my money but mr george sent me the card two days ago through courier service in my country. The card programmed for only money withdraws without being noticed and can also be used for free online purchases of any kind. The application process is so simple, i have tried mine with the closest ATM machine close to me, to my greatest surprise It worked like magic. I was able to withdraw up to $3000 daily, i dont have to worry about getting a loan anymore.This ATM has really change my life. If you want to contact them.
Here is the email address georgewilder402@gmail.com
My friend in Germany had to hire a lawyer to ensure his son was accepted in pharmacist training at every year of his education. The lawyers cost about what a US 4 year education would cost,
Time was when the German university was the envy of the world.
Uh, Erik?
Better get in and moderate out the SPAM. I refer to a so-called comment called "PLEASE READ PLEASE READ" posted at 10:50 PM..
As for free college, it existed in New York City for years — what is now the City University of New York system — and graduated countless immortals from Jonas Salk to Colin Powell to Justice Felix Frankfurter before dwindling support forced them to change tuition.. Were there flunk outs? Oodles. But at least they were given a fair shot. And entrance exams helped eliminate the weakest of candidates. Ditto, the once-nearly free land grand state universities, from Michigan, to Wisconsin, to the University of California system were generously underwritten by the taxpayers, flunked out many, but provide fabulous rewards to the best and brightest, and to their states before conservatives decided that government had no business paying for an educated electorate.
Whether you agree with me or not, please zap out Michelle Woods.
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